with Jake Dunlap of Skaled
Jake Dunlap is the CEO of Skaled. Skaled is a sales consulting firm that consults early-growth companies that have reached their first 1-2 million in sales, but are still trying to find their feet with their sales processes and strategies so they can scale faster. They also work with larger established companies that want to tweak certain parts of their funnels or reshape their full funnel.
Here’s Jake’s view on follow-ups:
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The level of the person in the organization and the size of the company really dictate how persistent you should be and how clever you need to be. If you have a transactional sale that’s only $5,000 a year, then you can’t afford to customize your follow-up too much, otherwise it doesn’t provide a valuable return.
As deal sizes get larger, you can then invest more time and resources to touchpoints. Some huge deals may have as many as 15-35 touchpoints.
The average follow-ups in the industry are annoying. “Touching base” or “Catching up” style emails might get a high reply rate, but it’s almost always the prospect saying, “Yeah, sorry I should have followed up. I’m not interested.”
Plus, there’s no value. That’s lazy salesmanship.
“You’re not thinking about what’s in it for them. What’s one new thing I can add? People aren’t focused on adding enough value in every interaction.”
Email is still king because it’s the tool we check most often, but ask a decision-maker at any company, “How many emails do you get in a day?” and they probably can’t count that high. But ask them, “How many phone calls do you get in a day?” and they might get two.
These days you have to be multi-channel. The data shows that campaigns with phone call follow-ups mixed in convert at higher rates. It’s crucial to follow up and reach out via social as well. When people aren’t on email, they’re browsing LinkedIn or scrolling through Instagram. Make sure you’re in front of them there also.
“To me, social isn’t a ‘Should I do it?’ You have to. If your audience lives on LinkedIn or Twitter or Instagram, you have to be engaging them there.”
Again, it’s all deal-size dependent. For large, mid-market, and upper-enterprise, everything is personalized. Everything Skaled does at that level is personalized because studies show even a little personalization can get you big results.
“The data actually says you don’t have to go crazy. You just have to be ‘this much’ personalized.”
The cheat codes for personalization that we’ve seen work are: